Item B1BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
AGENDA ITEM SUMMARY
Closed Session
Meeting Date: 1/18/2007 - KW
Bulk Item: Yes _ No xx
(TIME CERTAIN: 10:00 a.m. or as soon
thereafter as may be heard)
Division: County Attorney
Staff Contact Person: Bob Shillinger
AGENDA ITEM WORDING:
An Attorney -Client Closed Executive Session of the Board of County Commissioners in the matter of
Jennifer Franz v. Monroe County and J Jefferson Overby, CA P 06-475.
ITEM BACKGROUND:
Per F.S. 286.011(8), the subject matter of the meeting shall be confined to settlement negotiations or
strategy sessions related to litigation expenditures.
Present at the meeting will be the Commissioners, County Administrator Thomas J. Willi, County
Attorney Suzanne Hutton, Chief Assistant County Attorney Bob Shillinger, Assistant County Attorney
Pedro J. Mercado, and a certified court reporter.
PREVIOUS RELEVANT BOCC ACTION: On 12/20/06, the Board authorized this closed session.
CONTRACT/AGREEMENT CHANGES: N/A
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS: N/A
TOTAL COST: @ $200.00
COST TO COUNTY: @ $200.00
BUDGETED: Yes xx No
SOURCE OF FUNDS:
REVENUE PRODUCING: Yes _ No xx AMOUNT PER MONTH Year
APPROVED BY: County Atty — OMB/Purchasing Risk Management
DIVISION DIRECTOR APPROVAL: I, p
E A. T ON, COUN A TORNEY
DOCUMENTATION: Included
DISPOSITION:
Revised 2/05
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AGENDA ITEM #
OUNTYMONROE
t(EV WEST RORIDA33040
(305)294-4541
Suzanne A. Hutton, County Attorney**
Robert B. Shillinger, Chief Assistant County Attorney'*
Pedro I Mercado, Assistant County Attorney
Susan M. Crrimsley, Assistant County Attorney •'
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Natileene W. Cassel, Assistant County Attorney
Cynthia Hall, Assistant County Attorney
"Board Certified in City, Canty & Local Govt. Law
March 2, 2007
The Honorable Danny Kolhage
Monroe County Clerk of Court
500 Whitehead Street
Key West, Florida 33040
Mayor Mario Di Gennaro, District 4
Mayor Pro Tern Dube M. Spehar, District 1
George Neugent, District 2
Charles "Sonny- McCoy, District 3
Sylvia J. Murphy, District 5
Office of the County Attorney
PO Box 1026
Key West, FL 33041-1026
(305) 292-3470 — Phone
(305) 292-3516 — Fax
Re: Jennifer Franz v. Monroe County & J. Jefferson Overby, CA P 06475.
Dear Mr. Kolhage:
Enclosed please find the transcript of the January 18, 2007 closed attorney client session of the
Board of County Commissioners regarding the above -referenced matter. Under F.S. 286.011(8),
the transcript may be made part of the public record because the litigation has concluded.
Thank you for your assistance with this matter. Please contact me should you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Robert B. Shillinger
Chief Assistant County Attorney
Enclosure
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MONROE COUNTY
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Jennifer Franz vs. Monroe County and J. Jefferson Overby
CA-P-06-475
APPEARANCES:
MAYOR MARIO DIGENNARO
COMMISSIONER CHARLES "SONNY" MCCOY
COMMISSIONER DIXIE SEPHAR
COMMISSIONER GEORGE NEUGENT
COMMISSIONER SYLVIA MURPHY
THOMAS WILLI, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR
SUZANNE HUTTON, ESQ., COUNTY ATTORNEY
ROBERT SHILLINGER, ESQ., CHIEF ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY
The Harvey Government Center
1200 Truman Avenue
Keay West, Florida
Thursday, January 18, 2007
10:40 a.m. - 11:00 a.m.
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(Closed Session.)
MAYOR DIGENNARO: I call the closed session to
order.
MR. SHILLINGER: For the record this meeting is
being held upon the request of the county attorney,
announced at a prior meeting held on December 20th
that she needed advice concerning the pending lawsuit,
Jennifer Franz versus Monroe County and J. Jefferson
Overby.
At that meeting the board approved holding
today's closed session. Public notice was given by
publication in the Key West Citizen on January 5th,
the Key Noter on January 4th and the Reporter on
January 3, 2007. A copy of that notice will be given
to the court reporter for inclusion in the record.
For the record and the benefit of the court
reporter each of is will state our names and the
positions. If you'd like for speed I will name
everybody. Commissioner McCoy, Commissioner Sephar,
Mayor DiGennaro, Commissioner Neugent, Commissioner
Murphy, the court reporter, I'm Bob Shillinger, County
Attorney Suzanne Hutton, County Administrator Tom
Willi. Did I miss anybody? Did I leave anybody out?
We're only going to be discussing settlement
negotiations and strategy related to this litigation.
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I'll give you some background. We can't take any
decisive action at this session. We have to go back
into open session.
This case is a lawsuit that was filed by a lawyer
whose client has a case before the Code Enforcement
Special Master Overby. He attempted to recuse Mr.
Overby because of a longstanding conflict between the
lawyer and Mr. Overby. Overby denied that recusal
based on the timeliness.
He felt that since the notices and everything had
already stated that it was Overby's case and that he
waited to long to file the motion to recuse that it
was untimely and he denied it. So, the next step, the
property owner; Ms. Franz filed what's known as a writ
of prohibition in the circuit court, and that's
basically asking the circuit court judge to remove
Overby from this administrative hearing.
He raises two points in his appeal. One, that it
was untimely -- the denial was improper for that case
in particular because it wasn't untimely. The second
point that he raises -- and this is really why we're
here.
There's a larger issue at stake. Mr. Overby in
serving as our code enforcement special master also
serves as the chief assist state attorney, so Mr.
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Tobin has alleged that there is an inherent conflict
in having our judge, for simplistic terms -- our
hearing officer on one day be a prosecutor every other
day.
Now, there are some procedural defenses I can
raise to the argument and I can probably make some
substantive, but in doing so I will probably open up
us to even a greater conflict if I defended this case
honestly. Here is the situation. Overby, as I've
told you works in the state attorney's office. He is
one of the chief assistant state attorneys.
The allegation is that these code violations can
also be prosecuted criminally by the state attorney's
office. Well, our state attorney Mr. Cole has
indicated that he's not going to prosecute county and
city ordinance violations. He's left it to the local
governments to prosecute those.
That's fine for the municipalities. They have an
independent constitutional basis to do that, and they
have an independent statutory basis for doing that.
Counties, as political subdivisions of the state don't
have that actual authority.
I can't go into county court as an assistant
county attorney and try to put somebody in jail for
violating a county ordinance. Dumb as that seems
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that's the status of the law. So, in order for us to
prosecute these ordinances Mr. Cole has acknowledged
this status in the law, and he's sworn every member of
the county attorney's office as a special assistant
state attorney for the sole purpose of prosecuting
these county ordinance violations.
That technically makes us members of that law
firm; the state attorney's office. So, we're
appearing in front of another member of our own law
firm. It's an inherent conflict.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: How do we get out of the
conflict?
MR. SHILLINGER: We get rid of Overby as our
hearing officer.
COMMISSIONER MCCOY: There's an appearance of
impropriety here. That should be enough.
MR. SHILLINGER: In the past the Commission has
authorized prior county attorneys to litigate up to
the Third D.C.A. trying to keep Jeff Overby as our
hearing officer -- the Dorothy Abbott case. Before
we'll move to terminate the contract --
COMMISSIONER MCCOY: That was strongly
challenged.
MR. SHILLINGER: Right. The circumstances have
changed since then. He was not in the state
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attorney's office at that time. My recommendation is
to solve the conflict is we go to a different hearing
officer and bring you back a proposal on how we wish
to do that and how we would propose settling this
litigation.
COMMISSIONER MCCOY: You want to go back in open
session now or wait until the end?
MR. SHILLINGER: Does anybody have any questions
before we go back into open session or any other
discussion?
COMMISSIONER SEPHAR: Your recommendation is to
go to another hearing officer?
MR. SHILLINGER: Yes.
COMMISSIONER SEPHAR: Wasn't there a question of
time by doing that?
MR. SHILLINGER: By time what do you mean?
COMMISSIONER SEPHAR: Originally didn't -- in
asking Judge Overby be removed there was a time
element he rejected because it would delay?
MR. SHILLINGER: Right. If we were in court --
in real court; circuit court or county court -- they'd
have ten days to file the motion. In code enforcement
there's no set rules. Our own code says in other
types of hearings you recuse the hearing officer at
the beginning of the hearing, the first time you get
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up in front of the hearing. So, there's a grey area
on the time issue.
COMMISSIONER SEPHAR: Okay, thank you.
MR. SHILLINGER: What I'm suggesting, just so I'm
clear that you understand it, to resolve this conflict
for good we would have to remove Overby as our hearing
officer -- terminate his contract and go with another
hearing office on a permanent basis.
COMMISSIONER MCCOY: Or just when he's
challenged.
MR. SHILLINGER: Well, that's what I'm looking
for discussion on. It's a conflict regardless.
COMMISSIONER MCCOY: The defending attorney may
not see this as a problem and may feel that
Judge Overby is appropriate.
MR. SHILLINGER: Don't get me wrong. He's a fine
hearing officer.
COMMISSIONER MCCOY: I think so too. So I say it
doesn't have to be challenged. We can go ahead and do
it in the instances when the defending attorney says
this is a major challenge.
MR. SHILLINGER: Okay.
COMMISSIONER SEPHAR: Don't we have an alternate?
MR. SHILLINGER: We do.
COMMISSIONER SEPHAR: So, when he's challenged
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could we not just have the alternate and that way
we're not terminating any contracts. We're just --
when he's challenged then we move to the alternate.
MR. SHILLINGER: And we do have that in place.
Now, having that in place requires that you basically
have two special masters that you're paying every
month $2,000 a month to be available to hear cases and
the backup -- we have a contract with Tom Wright as
the backup, and that pays him $2,000 a month to be
available whether we use him or not.
So, that's $4,000 a month for hearing officers,
and these hearings at this point are taking
approximately two to three hours a month to get
through. So, we're paying a lot of money for very
little time.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: I have a question. If we use
this particular hearing officer and we win the first
round, would it be grounds for appeal if then he
represented that and the same thing because of that,
that gives grounds for appeal, and we go to the appeal
and your thought is we'll lose it?
MR. SHILLINGER: Yes.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: We have a little problem here.
Legally we just might get caught up.
MR. SHILLINGER: We're setting ourselves us up
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for more litigation on this issue again and again.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: Explain to me so that I really
understand. Basically not only did we set ourselves
up with the appeal but our chances to win the appeal
have really narrowed down because we have that
exposure.
MR. SHILLINGER: Right. We're not talking money
here. We're just talking -- I mean, other than the
time it takes to litigate these. It's not someone's
going to get a judgment against us. We're going to
end up getting an order to rehear the case with a
different hearing officer, and that's going to cost us
money to do that.
It's not like we're going to write a check to a
property owner at the end of the case, but yeah, we
are going to spend time and money fighting over
something that we know the outcome -- at least I would
predict the outcome that we're going to lose.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: The cat gets out of the bag and
then every one of our cases can be appealed.
MR. SHILLINGER: That's right if they raise the
objection. Now, another option, instead of having our
current system where we have Mr. Overby and Mr. Wright
as our backup and paying $4,000 a month is to explore
a contract with the Division of Administrative
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Hearings -- DOAH -- to send a hearing officer down
here once a month to hear these cases. They charge
$138 an hour.
They bill for their travel time, but they do have
hearing officers in south Florida, and they do come
down here. I've spoken with the chief judge of DOAH,
and he's indicated that they do this for other
counties for their code enforcement process.
COMMISSIONER SEPHAR: Isn't that as expensive
than what we're doing now?
MR. SHILLINGER: It would be, but then you're not
having a local person hear this. You'll be having a
state hearing officer.
COMMISSIONER SEPHAR: Isn't the problem that the
local person would have conflicts?
MR. SHILLINGER: Right. It would be a cleaner
way to do it to go to DOAH and do that.
COMMISSIONER NEUGENT: The other thing that seems
to be an extension of time here, Bob, is that we also
have a hearing officer, Mr. Overby -- let me back up.
Does Judge Overby at this point in time recognize the
conflict or is he still arguing?
MR. SHILLINGER: He believes there's no conflict.
There's two to discuss. He does not believe that he
has an ongoing conflict with Mr. Tobin and Mr. Mattson
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which would prevent him from sitting as a hearing
officer. He also does not believe that -- he things
that that's been -- a Chinese wall has been created
around him with respect to these ordinance
prosecutions because they don't handle them he doesn't
see it as a conflict.
COMMISSIONER NEUGENT: Based upon what I'm
hearing from my colleagues is that we see the conflict
that you're describing.
MR. SHILLINGER: Yes.
COMMISSIONER NEUGENT: So, having said that it
would seem to me that coming to that conclusion in
agreement with what I'm hearing you saying that you
recognize it as a conflict then we can move on.
So, I would say that the simple answer to this
would be two fold. Judge Overby has a choice he needs
to make on which master he's going to serve, and then
the other choice would be for us to go out for an
R.F.Q. and find another special master.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: I just have maybe a third
option. I'd like you to listen to this. Or we go to
the wall with this case and then a precedence will be
set whether he wins or whether he loses.
COMMISSIONER MCCOY: No precedence will be set.
Everyone can be challenged.
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MAYOR DIGENNARO: But it's already been -- I
don't know how you say it.
MR. SHILLINGER: If it's been decided by an
appellate court that his position with the state
attorney's office represents an inherent conflict with
his position as special master that would be a
precedent that everybody -- that we would
automatically have to follow.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: Right.
MR. SHILLINGER: So, we would get a Court to tell
what we think we already know.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: Maybe it would be better to
move it up there. The gentleman has been with us a
long time. He's the special master. It might be to
go to the appellate court. We're in there right now,
right or wrong?
MR. SHILLINGER: We're n the first step. We're
in the circuit court level which is the trial court
sitting as an -- the circuit court level sitting as an
appellate court. To get an actual binding case we'd
have to take it one more step to the Third District
Court of Appeal.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: Do you see that as an option?
MR. SHILLINGER: It's one option to go.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: I don't know the cost. I don't
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know the complications.
MR. SHILLINGER: You're probably talking about
100 hours of my time to do that.
COMMISSIONER NEUGENT: I don't see that as being
an option because it seems like the decision is
obvious, and again, if every case and every attorney
in the future that wanted to challenge that took that
position we'd be right back where we are in dealing
with this.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: Is that correct?
MR. SHILLINGER: Yes. If we took it and won, and
we won in the Third D.C.A. level then it wouldn't be
grounds for that.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: That's the question.
MR. SHILLINGER: Unless they frame the argument a
little bit differently.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: Okay.
COMMISSIONER MCCOY: This is what the case is all
the time, frame it a little bit different and it's a
whole new case and everything will be challenged.
COMMISSIONER NEUGENT: It's clear to me
Mr. Overby's got two choices. He can work for us or
he can work for Mark Cole, or we can go out for an
R.F.Q. and find another special master.
COMMISSIONER SEPHAR: By going outside of the
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county we don't have the conflicts that come up as to
this person works for this person, or this person has
been a judge and had somebody appear before them and
some on.
If we go outside of the county do you see -- I
know there's always the probability of anybody
challenging. Do you see as many possibilities?
MR. SHILLINGER: For conflicts?
COMMISSIONER SEPHAR: Yes.
MR. SHILLINGER: The changes for a conflict with
an outside hearing officer -- someone outside the
county -- reduce to almost nil. I won't say every
there is a possibility that somebody represents
somebody.
COMMISSIONER NEUGENT: The conflict is created
because he's working for the state attorney.
COMMISSIONER SEPHAR: If we go out in Monroe
County because we're a small county, some attorney is
going to have a difference of opinion with whomever.
COMMISSIONER NEUGENT: No. Only if they work for
the state attorney.
MR. SHILLINGER: Let me make sure that I'm clear
on this. There is the conflict he has in his position
as being an assistant state attorney and our hearing
officer.
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MAYOR DIGENNARO: That's the conflict.
MR. SHILLINGER: That's a conflict on every case
that he sits on.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: That's the one we're really
concerned about.
MR. SHILLINGER: That's the one we're really
concerned about. Then there is the small conflict --
the individual that's been upheld by the appellate
court that Mr. Overby has with Mr. Tobin and
Mr. Mattson because of some dealings between those
three individuals when Mr. Overby was on the bench,
and we've litigated that conflict and lost back in the
late nineties and that was the Abbott case.
MAYOR DIGENNARO: I think we're pretty well clear
on what you've explained to us. Do we want to go back
to an open meeting now?
MR. SHILLINGER: Yes.
(Time noted: 11:00 a.m.)
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CERTIFICATE
I, BARBARA J. PRINDLE, Registered Professional
Reporter, do hereby certify that I was authorized to and
did stenographically report the foregoing proceedings, and
that the transcript is a true record.
Dated this � day of 2007.
ARBARA J NDLE, RP
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