HomeMy WebLinkAboutItem A1* CLOSED SESSION 1:30 P.M. *
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
AGENDA ITEM SUMMARY
BOCC Special Meeting
Meeting Date: 7/13/10 - KW
Bulk Item: Yes _ No X
Division: Co= Attorney
Staff Contact Person: Bob Shillinger. #3470
AGENDA ITEM WORDING: An Attorney -Client Closed Session of the Board of County
Commissioners in the matter of Monroe County v. Priceline.com, et al, 09-10004CV.
ITEM BACKGROUND: While the County has reached preliminary settlements with Priceline,
Travelocity, and Expedia, negotiations with Orbitz, the remaining defendant group, are ongoing. Trial is
scheduled to start July 19. The closed session is being scheduled in the event the case is resolved prior to
the trial date.
Present at the meeting will be the Commissioners, County Administrator Roman Gastesi, County Attorney
Suzanne Hutton, Chief Assistant County Attorney Bob Shillinger, special litigation counsel Jay Shapiro
and Tod Aronovitz as well as a certified Court Reporter.
PREVIOUS RELEVANT BOCC ACTION:
7/6/10 BOCC approved Closed Session for BOCC Special Meeting 7/13/10 @ 1:30 p.m. in Key West
CONTRACT/AGREEMENT CHANGES:
N/A
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS:
Approval.
TOTAL COST: Est. 200 INDIRECT COST: BUDGETED: Yes X No
COST TO COUNTY: Est. $200 SOURCE OF FUNDS:
REVENUE PRODUCING: Yes _ No X AMOUNT PER MONTH Year
APPROVED BY: County Atty X OMB/Purchasing Risk Management
DOCUMENTATION: Included Not Required X
DISPOSITION: AGENDA ITEM 4- 1-7-
Revised 2/05
County of Monroe
The Florida Keys
Robert B. Shillinger, County Attorney"
Pedro J. Mercado, Assistant County Attorney **
Cynthia L. Hall, Assistant County Attorney **
Christine Limbert-Barrows, Assistant County Attorney **
Derek V. Howard, Assistant County Attorney**
Steven T. Williams, Assistant County Attorney**
Peter H. Morris, Assistant County Attorney
Patricia Eables, Assistant County Attorney
Chris Ambrosio, Assistant County Attorney
** Board Certified in City, County & Local Govt. Law
May 25, 2017
Kevin Madok, Clerk of the Circuit Court
Sixteenth Judicial Circuit, State of Florida
Monroe County Courthouse
500 Whitehead Street
Key West, FL 33040
-r BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
Mayor George Neugent, District 2
Mayor Pro Tem David Rice, District 4
Danny L. Kolhage, District 1
Heather Carruthers, District 3
a ` - Sylvia J. Murphy, District 5
Office of the County Attorney
1111 121h Street, Suite 408
Key West, FL 33040
(305) 292-3470 - Phone
(305) 292-3516 - Fax
In Re: Monroe County v. Priceline.com, et al., Case No.: 09-cv-10004
U.S. District Court, Southern District of Florida
Dear Mr. Madok:
Please find enclosed herewith the transcript of the following closed attorney/client sessions of
the Monroe County Board of County Commissioners regarding the above -referenced matter:
June 29, 2010; and,
July 13, 2010.
Under F.S. 286.011(8), the transcript may be part of the public record because the litigation
has concluded.
Thank you for your assistance with this matter. Please contact me should you have any
questions.
Sincerely,
Robert B. Shillinger
Monroe County Attorney
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BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF MONROE COUNTY
ATTORNEY -CLIENT CLOSED SESSION
THURSDAY, JULY 13, 2010
1:30 - 2:10 PM
RE: MONROE COUNTY v. PRICELINE.COM, ET AL.
CASE NO. 09-1004CV
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HELD AT
Harvey Government Center
1200 Truman Avenue
Key West, Florida 33040
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS:
Sylvia J. Murphy, Mayor
Mario De Gennaro, County Commissioner
Heather Carruthers, County Commissioner
George Neugent, County Commissioner
Kim Wigington, County Commissioner
STAFF:
Suzanne A. Hutton, County Attorney
Robert B. Shillinger, Chief Assistant County Attorney
Roman Gastesi, County Administrator
Jay Shapiro, Special Litigation Counsel (by telephone)
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P R O C E E D I N G S
MAYOR MURPHY: BOCC is now called to order.
And then I believe we have --
Do you make your announcement first, or after I
close the session?
MS. HUTTON: I say a little bit, and then you
close the open session.
MAYOR MURPHY: Okay. It's yours.
MS. HUTTON: A closed attorney -client session
pursuant to Section 286.011, Subsection 8, Florida
Statutes, will now be held. It is estimated that
this meeting will take approximately thirty minutes.
The persons attending the meeting will be Mayor
Sylvia Murphy, Mayor Pro Tem Heather Carruthers,
Commissioner George Neugent, Commissioner Kim
Wigington, and Commissioner Mario De Gennaro, County
Administrator Roman Gastesi, County Attorney Suzanne
Hutton, Chief Assistant Attorney Bob Shillinger,
Special Litigation Counsel Jay Shapiro, and a
certified court reporter.
Since the law prohibits any other person from
being present at the closed session, the
commissioners, the attorneys for the county, and the
court reporter will now remain in the meeting room,
and all other persons are required to leave the
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room. When the closed session is over, we will
re -convene and re -open the public meeting.
Now, Mayor, if you will close the open session.
MAYOR MURPHY: The open session is closed. We
will now open the closed session.
(Pause in the record.)
MS. HUTTON: All right. The Mayor already
called the closed session to order, so the rest of
this meeting is being held upon the request of the
County Attorney Suzanne Hutton, who announced at a
prior public special meeting held on July 6 that I
needed advice concerning the pending matter of
Priceline.com, et al., 09-10004CV. At that meeting,
the Board approved holding a closed session at the
July 13, 2010 BOCC Special Meeting and through
publication of the agenda for the July 13, 2010 BOCC
Special Meeting and public notice was given at the
July 6, 2010 BOCC Special Meeting and through
publication of the agenda for the July 13, 2010 BOCC
Special Meeting and on the County's website and
channel 76.
For the record, and the benefit of the court
reporter, each of us will state our name and
position starting with the commissioners.
Commissioner Di Gennaro, do you want to start?
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COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: Here.
MS. HUTTON: You need to state your name,
please.
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: Suzanne, you don't
know my name by now? Okay.
Mario Di Gennaro, Monroe County Commissioner,
District 4.
COMMISSIONER CARRUTHERS: Heather Carruthers,
Monroe County Commissioner, District 3.
MAYOR MURPHY: Mayor Sylvia Murphy,
Commissioner, District 5.
COMMISSIONER NEUGENT: County Commissioner
George Murphy, District 2.
COMMISSIONER WIGINGTON: County Commissioner
Kim Wigington, District 1.
MS. HUTTON: Suzanne Hutton, County Attorney.
MR. GASTESI: Roman Gastesi, County
Administrator.
MR. SHILLINGER: Robert Shillinger, County
Attorney.
Appearing by telephone?
MR. SHAPIRO: This is Jay Shapiro of the law
firm, on the phone.
MS. HUTTON: Just as a reminder, we are only
going to be discussing settlement negotiations and
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strategy relating to litigation expenditures. You
cannot take any decisive action at this meeting. We
can only provide information and you can provide
direction to the attorneys. Any decisions the Board
makes must be done in a meeting open to the public.
And I'm going to turn this over to Mr.
Shillinger and Mr. Shapiro.
MR. SHILLINGER: Good afternoon.
We're back again on the Priceline case, Monroe
County v. Priceline, et al. We had met previously,
on June 29th, to discuss a proposed settlement with
three of the four defendant groups, that was
Priceline, Travelocity and Expedia. We finally
reached the agreement with Orbitz, the last
remaining defendant group.
And before I turn it over to Mr. Shapiro, who
will kind of explain what we have going on, in front
of you, you have an agenda item summary. In the
event that you're comfortable with the terms of the
settlement that we're about to present to you, we
would have to, when we come back to open session,
open the agenda, add this on by unanimous consent,
and give us the authority to execute the settlement
terms. So this is background just in the event we
get there.
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So with no further ado let me turn it over to
Jay Shapiro from the firm of Stearns Weaver, who has
been representing the County along with several
other lawyers in this matter for the last couple of
years.
Jay?
MR. SHAPIRO: Yes. Thank you, Bob.
And good afternoon, everyone.
I'm pleased to report that we've reached an
agreement in principle, subject, of course, to your
approval, with the last defendant group. We had
reached previously settlements with the major
defendant, which is Expedia and its subsidiaries,
and also with some of the minor defendants,
Travelocity and Priceline. The last minor defendant
remaining who would not settle was the Orbitz group,
and we've now reached an agreement in principle with
them for the amount of $325,000. If you were to
approve that last settlement, that would bring the
settlement total for the entire class to six and a
half million dollars. And just to put that in
perspective, if you recall when we met last time,
the settlement we had with the three other defendant
groups brought the settlement to a few hundred
thousand dollars over the total amount of taxes that
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we believed were owed. Based on the defendants'
outlined hotel reservations at six and a half
million total, that still brings us ahead by
approximately a hundred and fifty to $200,000 over
and above the total taxes which we've calculated
that all of these defendant groups owed.
So we recommend this settlement to you. As
class representative on behalf of the clients, we
think it is a very good settlement. Given all of
the risks and uncertainties that we discussed at our
last meeting, none of which have changed, that
completes our report, and subject to your approval,
we've got the last piece in place, and we think that
it's a very good settlement.
MR. SHILLINGER: The County's total percentage
on this with this additional settlement amount would
bring our take to roughly two million dollars in
Tourist Development tax dollars. So for the benefit
of the two commissioners who weren't here last time,
some of the risks that we have in going forward are
efforts by the online companies to get a legislative
solution, they got a bill through the house in
Tallahassee last time, it's been stopped on the
senate floor, that would exempt the online companies
from paying these taxes. There's an ongoing effort
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in Washington led by the majority leader, Harry
Reid, in the Senate, to get federal legislation
through that would give the online companies a
legislative fix. The prospects of taking this case
to trial, while we thought were pretty good, if we
still win and they were going to fight us on appeal,
that's going to take us a couple of years to get
through that. This settlement would get us money
now, would get us an equivalent of all of the past
taxes and, in fact, the past due taxes and a little
bit going forward, and we've agreed not to sue them
for a couple of years to give them some measure of
peace and quiet.
When we're dealing with talking to the media,
and we had this discussion last time we were there,
first of all, we suggested that you refer any
inquiries to me, just so we don't misspeak. They're
very, the online companies are very nervous about
what comments are being made and specifically what,
any comments that we are going to make, we would say
that they're settling a disputed claim. They're not
admitting that they owe taxes, they're not admitting
that they're paying taxes. They're paying us money
to go away. It just coincidentally happens to be
just over a hundred percent of the taxes plus a
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little bit for going forward.
Yes, Mr. Di Gennaro, question?
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: How much will they be
paying in taxes?
MR. SHILLINGER: The agreement doesn't require
them to pay taxes in the future. They're buying a
couple of years peace by paying a little bit more
than a hundred percent. That will leave us the
ability to go back in a couple of years if it hasn't
been resolved legislatively or through one of the
other lawsuits that's going forward. Right now, the
Attorney General and the, I think the CFO, are
involved jointly in a suit --
And, Jay, I think you can speak to it,
probably, with more clarity than I.
-- in which they're trying to clarify the legal
issue of whether or not they owe the taxes or not.
And so in two years it may be a moot point.
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: When you say a couple
of years, is there a deadline? Is it two years?
MR. SHILLINGER: Two years from the date of the
settlement.
Right, Jay?
MR. SHAPIRO: Yes, with the exception of the
Priceline defendants. They paid a little bit more
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on a pro rata basis than the other defendants, and
we've agreed to give them a three-year hiatus
instead of a two-year. But with the rest of the
defendants it's a two-year.
And Mr. Shillinger is correct. There are
ongoing other lawsuits that should, by the time this
two years is over, either the legislature is going
to wipe out the taxes altogether or a court is going
to decide whether they're owed. But even if a court
decides that they're owed, the legislature can still
take it away. And certainly the legislation that's
pending in Washington, if that were to pass, and
based on what Robert Gibbs said on the Sunday talk
shows, he's expecting that there may be a change in
control in the House come November, the likelihood,
I think, of Washington dealing with it, I think, has
gone up, and I don't think the prospects for the
government amenities will be as good if the
Republicans take control of the house this fall.
So, as Mr. Shillinger said, there is all of this
uncertainty out there which irrespective of the
lawsuit could potentially wipe out the County's
recovery in this matter, even if it were to prevail
at trial and get all of the taxes and interest and
everything under the sun that we would ask to get
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awarded, that could get taken away through efforts
outside the litigation process. So as we discussed,
I believe, with some of the commissioners last time,
those risks make, in our mind, this settlement where
we're getting the equivalent of a hundred percent of
the taxes plus a little on top going back ten years,
and for purposes of this closed session there's some
argument about whether we could even go back beyond
a five years statute of limitations, as part of the
settlement we're going back beyond that, the
trade-off for being able to go back further than
what could possibly be an argument under the statute
of limitations in exchange for a two-year hiatus
seemed to us to be a pretty fair trade-off, given
the ability to get the money to the County to use it
right away.
MR. SHILLINGER: Another question?
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: I see 33 of 59
counties elected not to settle and stay in the class
suit, number one.
Number two, for the people who are staying in
the class suit, if they do prevail will they be in a
position to also get triple damages, punitive
damages?
MR. SHILLINGER: No.
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COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: No triple damages?
MR. SHILLINGER: Right. This is a total
settlement. We're saying --
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: No. I'm saying if we
stay in the suit.
MR. SHILLINGER: Right. We are the lead
plaintiff in the suit, so we're definitely in the
suit. The other class members who would join with
us, they would get a pro rata share of the six
million dollars, and that pro rata calculation is
based on the financial data based on the number of
percentages of transactions they've had vis a vis
their own tourist development ordinance rate.
MR. SHAPIRO: I believe the commissioner's
question was what are the total outside damages if
we were to go and get everything we wanted, whether
it be punitives or penalties or things like that.
I think that was your question, right?
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: That was my question.
If we stayed in the lawsuit, would we be eligible
for punitive damages and what would that be, number
one. And number two is that I notice that 50
percent of the people in this lawsuit decided to
stay in; is that correct?
MR. SHILLINGER: Correct.
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COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: Why? I mean, why
would they and us not, more than 50 percent, were
their numbers not as good?
MR. SHAPIRO: I can address that, Bob, if you'd
like.
MR. SHILLINGER: Go ahead.
MR. SHAPIRO: Most of the counties that opted
out of the class once the class notice went out, the
ones that opted out were already represented by
outside counsel, and I think that their outside
counsel prevailed upon them to stay with the
existing cases that they already had. Now, there
were a number that stayed in. My prediction at the
last meeting, which I think is coming to pass, is
that once these other counties find out that we are
getting what is the equivalent of a hundred percent
of the taxes, they're going to be seriously
questioning their lawyers about why they were
convinced to opt out of the case, given that we're
about to get paid now and they're looking at years
and years of litigation. And we're trying to
prevail on them to stay in the case because we have
a quick trial date and we have a judge that appeared
to like our view of the case and that's why we got
the settlement that we did, is because I believe the
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defendant OTCs were very concerned about the result
that was going to happen in this case much more than
in these other cases that are pending in state
court.
So my prediction is, and I've already been
contacted by Orlando, they want to know exactly what
our settlement is and how we got it and they want to
see all of our trial exhibits, and we're having
discussions about whether we want to share that
information with them.
But I believe that the reason why a number of
these counties opted out is because, quite frankly,
they got bad counsel from their outside lawyers.
They would have been much better off staying in the
case.
With respect to the commissioner's question
about if we were to not take the settlement and stay
in the case, there were certainly interest and
penalties that we could seek on top of the taxes
that we were claiming there was going to be a very
big fight about the amount of penalties that we can
achieve. There's a statute that says we can get 50
percent of the taxes as penalties. There's a very
good argument that the defendants were going to make
that that could be limited to ten percent of the
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taxes. If we could argue that it was willful in
nature we could ask for, theoretically, a hundred
percent of the taxes as an additional penalty. But
all of that was very much up in the air about
whether we'd be entitled to get that.
And, you know, like any settlement, you don't
always get everything that you want and there was a
compromise involved, but given at the end of the day
that we're getting these folks to pay us over a
hundred percent of the actual taxes and we're able
to go back beyond five years, the view of the,
certainly the counsel and, I think, of the
commissioners that were present at the last meeting,
was that that's a pretty good deal.
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: Is the hundred
percent that we're getting, is that the net?
MR. SHAPIRO: The gross number is over a
hundred percent. There's certainly fees and
expenses.
MR. SHILLINGER: That would be roughly a third,
based on the retainer agreement we signed with Tod
Aronovitz and his firm back in 2007. That will,
actually, be adjusted by the court on how they can
go above the third.
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: But we would not ask
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to go above the third under any circumstances?
MR. SHILLINGER: Right. And the court,
actually, needs to approve it, since it is a class.
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: But the question is
also, if they're not, with their outside counsel if
their outside counsel tried to negotiate ahead of
time before and if we're assuming we're trying to
settle the case, maybe we should try to work out
with them --
MR. SHAPIRO: Commissioner, if it makes you
feel any better, there certainly will be no windfall
for the outside counsel. The amount of attorney's
fees that my firm and my co -counsel firms have spent
to get to this point do not even approximate what
we're going to get in returns if we get 33 percent
of the recovery. We expect much more than that in
getting this case to this point. So there will
certainly be no windfall for the lawyers. They're
taking a cut, too.
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: All right. You know
what, I won't get into this debate, because I've
been here and done it many times.
MR. SHILLINGER: Of the two million, our
percentage should be about 1.25. 1.3, roughly.
COMMISSIONER NEUGENT: Take it.
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MAYOR MURPHY: Be done with it.
COMMISSIONER NEUGENT: Be done with it.
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: Be done with it.
MR. SHILLINGER: All right. Before we go back
to the open session where we can actually take
affirmative action to vote on that, are there any
questions before we close the closed session
regarding this matter?
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: Just one.
MR. SHILLINGER: Okay.
COMMISSIONER DI GENNARO: Can we speak about
this in the public session, about what happened in
the closed session?
MR. SHILLINGER: You shouldn't speak about what
happened in the closed session. I would ask you to
refer any questions to me, just so have one unified
message.
MAYOR MURPHY: That's what we did last time.
MR. SHAPIRO: Ladies and gentlemen, one last
point before we break. Now that the commission has
approved the settlement, we now have to go back to
Judge Moore, present it to him on behalf of the
class, he has to preliminarily approve the sending
of notice to the other class members, and then
there'll be a final hearing. So it's not done, but
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there is a process that needs to be followed where
we have to get the court's preliminary and final
approval. My assumption is that he will have
absolutely zero hesitation in preliminarily
approving the settlement, and once notice goes out
to the class we'll have a hearing on final approval,
which I do not expect will be much of a problem.
You never know in cases like this. But getting
preliminary approval from the court I do not think
is going to be much of an issue, and there will be a
final approval hearing sometime in the fall.
The second point is, and this goes to what you
should be saying publicly, after the last meeting
there were some articles written in the press about
characterizing the settlement that were, although
favorable and not exactly inaccurate, it caused a
lot of problems with the defendants, came close to
cratering, quite frankly, because they were very
concerned about what the reporter has written. And
while we have no control over what any reporter
writes, we have reached an agreement with the
defendants about what can be said about any
settlement, and that's what's listed on, the
language that Mr. Shillinger put on the agenda
accurately describes what we've agreed to say
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publicly about the settlement, and that is that it's
a compromise of disputed claims. There's no
admission of liability by the defendants. They're
not agreeing to pay any taxes that they say they're
owed. It's just a compromise. And that's really
all we're allowed to say.
MAYOR MURPHY: Okay. Thank you very much.
We can now close the closed session, and we can
re -open the regular session.
(Proceedings concluded at 2:07 p.m.)
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C E R T I F I C A T E
STATE OF FLORIDA )
COUNTY OF MONROE )
I, Susan L. McTaggart, Court Reporter and Notary
Public, State of Florida at Large, do hereby certify that I
was authorized to and did report by stenotype the
proceedings in the above -entitled matter, and that the
transcript is a true record of said proceedings.
Dated this 25th day of July, 2010.
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Susan L. McTaggart, Court Reporter
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