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4 ' ' "tr, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
County of Monroe
\,a� Mayor Michelle Coldiron,District 2
�1 nffllll Ma or Pro Tem David Rice,District 4
-Ile Florida.Keys Craig Cates,District 1
Eddie Martinez,District 3
w Mike Forster,District 5
County Commission Meeting
May 25, 2021
Agenda Item Number: E.1
Agenda Item Summary #3203
BULK ITEM: No DEPARTMENT: County Attorney's Office
TIME APPROXIMATE: STAFF CONTACT: Bob Shillinger(305) 292-3470
To be held at the conclusion of the workshop.
AGENDA ITEM WORDING: An Attorney-Client Closed Session in the matter of AshBritt, Inc.
v. Monroe County, FL and Florida Department of Transportation, Case No. CA-K-17-802.
ITEM BACKGROUND: Per F.S. 286.011(8), the subject matter of the meeting shall be confined
to settlement negotiations or strategy sessions related to litigation expenditures. Present at the
meeting will be the Commissioners, County Administrator Roman Gastesi, County Attorney Bob
Shillinger, Assistant County Attorneys Cynthia Hall and Christine Limbert-Barrows, special
litigation counsel Jeff Hochman and a certified court reporter.
PREVIOUS RELEVANT BOCC ACTION:
3/17/21 (T1) BOCC scheduled a Closed Session for 4/21/21 or as soon thereafter as may be
heard
4/21/21 (L1) Closed session was tabled until the 5/25/21 meeting.
CONTRACT/AGREEMENT CHANGES:
N/A
STAFF RECOMMENDATION: N/A
DOCUMENTATION:
Day of Closed Session Script AshBritt
FINANCIAL IMPACT:
Effective Date: N/A
Expiration Date:
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Total Dollar Value of Contract: N/A
Total Cost to County: Court Reporter Costs
Current Year Portion:
Budgeted: Yes
Source of Funds: 67501-530330
CPI: N/A
Indirect Costs: N/A
Estimated Ongoing Costs Not Included in above dollar amounts:
Revenue Producing: If yes, amount:
Grant:
County Match:
Insurance Required: N/A— attorney-client closed session
Additional Details:
N/A
REVIEWED BY:
Cynthia Hall Completed 05/03/2021 11:39 AM
Bob Shillinger Completed 05/03/2021 12:12 PM
Purchasing Skipped 05/03/2021 12:11 PM
Budget and Finance Skipped 05/03/2021 12:12 PM
Maria Slavik Skipped 05/03/2021 12:12 PM
Liz Yongue Completed 05/04/2021 11:13 AM
Board of County Commissioners Pending 05/25/2021 10:30 AM
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Mayor's Script
For the Day of Closed Session
The following should be read at the appropriate point during the day of the closed session.
1. Prior to going into closed session.
A closed attorney-client session pursuant to Section 286.011(8), Florida Statutes, will now be held. It is -�
estimated that this meeting will take approximately thirty (30) minutes. The persons attending the meeting
will be the County Commissioners, County Administrator Roman Gastesi, County Attorney Bob
Shillinger, Assistant County Attorneys Cynthia Hall and Christine Limbert-Barrows,outside counsel Jeff Hochman t
and a certified court reporter.
Since the law prohibits any other person from being present at the closed session, the commissioners °'
the County Administrator, the attorneys for the County and the court reporter will now remain in this
meeting room, and all other persons are required to leave the room. When the closed session is over, we will
re-convene and re-open the public meeting. This public meeting is now closed.
2. At the beginning of the closed session. �?
I now call this closed session to order. For the record, this meeting is being held upon the request of the 0)
County Attorney Bob Shillinger who announced at a prior BOCC Special Meeting held on 3/17/2021 that he
needed advice in the matter of Ashbritt, Inc. v. Monroe County, Florida and Florida Department of
Transportation, Case No. CA-K-17-802. At that meeting, the Board approved holding a closed session and
public notice was given through public announcement of the meeting at the 3/17/21 BOCC meeting and
through publication of the 4/21/21 BOCC meeting agenda on the County's website. At the 4/21/21 meeting n
this closed session was tabled until the 5/25/21 meeting.
For the record, and the benefit of the court reporter, each of us will state our name and position starting
with the commission. v)
(After all have identified themselves)—Thank you.
v)
Just as a reminder, we will only be discussing settlement negotiations and strategy relating to litigation
expenditures. We cannot take any decisive action at this meeting. We can only provide information and --2
direction to the attorneys. Any decisions this Board makes concerning this case must be done in a meeting open 0
to the public.
Let's start our discussion with the County Attorney.
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3. At the end of the closed session,prior to going into open session.
This closed session is now terminated and we will not reconvene in the public meeting.
4. After the public session has been re-opened.
The attorney—client session has been terminated, and we are now re-opening this public meeting.
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' W, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
County of Monroe + � Ifu�� �, Mayor Craig Cates,District 1
ti Mayor Pro Tem Holly Merrill Raschein,District 5
The Florida Keys ra Michelle Lincoln,District 2
James K.Scholl,District
Robert B.Shillinger,County Attorney** tdw David Rice,District 4
Pedro J.Mercado,Sr.Assistant County Attorney**
Cynthia L.Hall,Sr.Assistant County Attorney**
Christine Limbert-Barrows,Assistant County Attorney** Office of the County Attorney
Derek V.Howard,Assistant County Attorney** I I11 12'Street,Suite 408
Peter H.Morris,Assistant County Attorney ** Key West,FL 33040
Patricia Fables,Assistant County Attorney (305)292-3470 Office
Joseph X.DiNovo,Assistant County Attorney** (305)292-3516 Fax
Kelly Dugan,Assistant County Attorney
Christina Cory,Assistant County Attorney
Nathalia Archer,Assistant County Attorney
**Board Certified in City,County&Local Govt.Law
April 28, 2023
Kevin Madok, CPA
Clerk of the Court, 16'Judicial Circuit
500 Whitehead Street
Key West, FL 33040
In Re: Ashbritt, Inc. v. Monroe County, Case No.: 17-CA-802-K
Dear Mr.Madok:
Please find attached scans of transcripts of six (6) closed attorney-client sessions of the Monroe County Board
of County Commissioners, with regard to the above-entitled civil matter. The closed sessions occurred on:
05/16/2018; 02/20/2019; 05/08/2020; 05/25/2021; 09/12/2022; and, 02/13/2023. Under F.S. 286.011(8), these
transcripts may be made part of the public record, as the litigation has concluded.
Thank you for your assistance in this matter. Please contact me should you have any questions.
Sincerely
Digitally signed by Robert B.Shillinger
Robert B. Shillinger ou cn=Robert B.Shillinger, ,Monroe County BOCC,
ou=Monroe County Attorney,email=shillinger-
bob@monroecounty-fl.gov,c=uS
Date:2023.04.28 15:04:07-04'00'
Robert B. Shillinger
Monroe County Attorney
Attachments: Six closed session transcripts dated 05/16/2018;02/20/2019;05/08/2020;05/25/2021;09/12/2022,02/13/2023
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May 25, 2021
MONROE COUNTY
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
CLOSED SESSION
ASHBRITT, INC . vs . MONROE COUNTY, FLORIDA
CASE NO . 2017-CA- 802-K
APPEARANCES :
Mayor Michelle Coldiron
Commissioner Craig Cates
Commissioner David P . Rice
Commissioner Mike Forster
Commissioner Eddie Martinez
Roman Gastesi , County Administrator
Robert B . Shillinger, County Attorney
Cynthia Hall , Assistant County Attorney
Christine Limbert-Barrows , Asst . County Attorney
Jeffrey Hochman, Outside Counsel
Marathon Government Center
2798 Overseas Highway
Marathon, Florida 33050
Tuesday, May 25 , 2021
1 : 46 p .m. - 2 : 23 p .m.
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1 (WHEREUPON, the following proceedings were
2 had on May 25 , 2021, at 1 : 46 p .m. , with all parties
3 present : )
4 THE CLERK: The next item is on page three as
5 well , Item E-1 . An Attorney-Client Closed Session
6 in the matter of AshBritt, Inc . vs . Monroe County,
7 Florida, and Florida Department of Transportation,
8 Case Number CA-K-17-802 .
9 MR . SHILLINGER : So this is another Attorney-
10 Client Closed Session being held pursuant to
11 Florida Statute 286 . 011 . It is estimated this
12 meeting will take approximately thirty minutes .
13 The persons attending will be the County
14 Commissioners, County Administrator Roman Gastesi ,
15 myself , Assistant County Attorneys Cynthia Hall
16 and Christine Limbert-Barrows, and outside counsel
17 Jeff Hochman, and a certified court reporter .
18 Since the law prohibits any other person from
19 being present at the Closed Session, the
20 Commissioners, the Administrator, the Attorneys
21 and the court reporter will remain in the meeting
22 room. All other persons are required to leave the
23 room. When the Closed Session is over, we will
24 reconvene and re-open the public meeting . Madame
25 Mayor, do you close the open session .
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1 MAYOR COLDIRON: I close the open session .
2 (Brief pause . )
3 MR . SHILLINGER : Do you call the Closed
4 Session to order .
5 MAYOR COLDIRON: I call the Closed Session to
6 order.
7 (Beginning of Closed Session . )
8 MR . SHILLINGER : For the record, this meeting
9 is being held at my request . I announced at a
10 prior BOCC meeting held on March 17 , 2021, that I
11 needed advice in the matter of AshBritt versus
12 Monroe County and Florida Department of
13 Transportation, Case Number CA-K-17-802 . At that
14 meeting, the Board approved holding a Closed
15 Session. Public notice was given through public
16 announcement of the meeting at the March 17 , 2021
17 BOCC meeting, and through publication of the
18 agenda for the 4/21/21 BOCC meeting on the
19 County ' s website . On 4/21/21 , the Closed Session
20 was continued til today' s date, May 25 , 2021 .
21 For the record and benefit of the court
22 reporter, each of us will state our name and
23 position, starting with the Commissioners . Let ' s
24 start it with Commissioner Martinez .
25 COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ : Eddie Martinez ,
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1 District 3 .
2 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Mike Forster, County
3 Commissioner, District 5 .
4 COMMISSIONER RICE : David Rice, County
5 Commissioner, District 4 .
6 MAYOR COLDIRON: Michelle Coldiron, County
7 Commissioner, District 2 .
8 COMMISSIONER CATES : Craig Cates,
9 Commissioner, District 1 .
10 MR . GASTESI : Roman Gastesi , County
11 Administrator.
12 MR . SHILLINGER : Bob Shillinger, County
13 Attorney.
14 MS . HALL : Cynthia Hall , Assistant County
15 Attorney.
16 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : Christine Limbert-
17 Barrows, Assistant County Attorney.
18 MR . HOCHMAN: Jeff Hochman, special counsel
19 for Monroe County.
20 MR . SHILLINGER : Just as a reminder, we will
21 only be discussing settlement negotiation strategy
22 relating to litigation expenditures . We can ' t
23 take any decisive action at this meeting . You can
24 only provide information and direction to the
25 attorneys . Any decisions that you make concerning
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1 this case must be done at a meeting that ' s open to
2 the public .
3 So this is our other big case involving
4 fallout from Hurricane Irma . We have two new
5 Commissioners on the Commission. We wanted to
6 update you . Commissioner Forster, you asked to be
7 updated on this case and where we are .
8 I would like to say that if the Third
9 District Court of Appeals had ruled by now, we
10 would be able to say the case is over and done .
11 We still have an appeal pending that we are
12 expecting a ruling any way, any Wednesday because
13 those rulings come out every Wednesday around
14 10 : 30 , 11 : 00 o ' clock in the morning. We have an
15 appeal pending that if it goes our way, the case
16 is over in our favor . Jeff can tell you when but
17 the argument was probably about six, eight weeks
18 ago . We expect - - the time is right for it to
19 come out on appeal - - or, the decision to come
20 out, if not this week, next week . There ' s no
21 limit on when they can, but they usually start
22 publishing opinions a month or so after the
23 argument itself .
24 So, with that, I ' ll turn it over to Jeff to
25 explain where we are in the case, explain our
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1 strategy for going forward if we ' re not successful
2 on that appeal , and answer any questions you might
3 have .
4 MR . HOCHMAN: Good afternoon . This is the
5 AshBritt versus Monroe County case . AshBritt
6 entered into an express written contract with
7 Monroe County to perform certain services . In
8 order to expand the scope of work, an amendment to
9 the contract we ' d entered into between AshBritt
10 and Monroe County.
11 In this case, no amendment was entered into .
12 Nonetheless, AshBritt claims they performed
13 services in addition to the services required in
14 the contract in connection with what they call
15 putrefied waste, meaning the items that are inside
16 the white goods, inside refrigerators and freezers
17 that are left by the side of the road. They claim
18 that Monroe County instructed them to take the
19 white goods and dispose of them. Monroe County
20 claims that all work and all removal associated
21 with white goods , including what ' s inside of the
22 refrigerators, was already contemplated by the
23 contract .
24 In addition, AshBritt claims that Monroe
25 County required AshBritt to bring debris to a
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1 final disposal site that was more than 130 miles
2 away from Monroe County. The contract
3 contemplates that and pays them a very high rate
4 for that . They claim they wanted to take it to a
5 closer disposal site and they sued the County for
6 an approximate million dollars , is what they claim
7 is the extra cost they incurred performing what
8 Monroe County told them to do, even though it ' s
9 not explicitly written in the terms of the
10 contract .
11 The County moved for summary judgment on
12 those arguments, basically the idea that in order
13 to enforce a contract claim against a
14 municipality, you have to look at the contract ,
15 and then you have to look inside the contract and
16 find the provision that obligates the County in
17 that way.
18 Judge Koenig reviewed that summary judgment
19 motion and determined that there were conflicting
20 issues of fact and that he was unable to grant
21 summary judgment in favor of Monroe County as a
22 pure matter of law.
23 Monroe County has since appealed that
24 decision to the Third DCA, asking it to review all
25 the facts and determine whether those arguments
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1 are in fact the proper arguments , meaning no
2 contract provision obligated the Monroe County
3 folks to pay for an additional service that wasn ' t
4 in the contract, and that the obligation to
5 transport material to that outside site 130 miles
6 away was in fact a part of the contract and Monroe
7 County had paid the full contract price for their
8 services .
9 We were expecting to have a decision by now.
10 It was argued, fully briefed and argued in March.
11 There have been a number of sovereign immunity
12 cases that have been decided, one of them by the
13 Third DCA, which seems to help the County' s
14 position in this matter. The length of time
15 between the oral argument and the opinion can
16 vary, so we can ' t explain why there is maybe a
17 delay, or maybe just a work flow issue, or maybe
18 there ' s some special attention being paid to this .
19 There ' s another dispute involving sovereign
20 immunity that is now pending at the Third DCA. A
21 lot of municipalities are interested in these
22 kinds of decisions . And, where the Third District
23 Court of Appeal comes out on this particular claim
24 will have an impact on Florida law, and will have
25 an impact on Monroe County in the Disaster
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1 Solutions case as well because it deals with the
2 same ideas of what is a contract , what is an
3 enforceable contract under Florida law.
4 At this point in time, the proper thing for
5 the County to do is to wait to see what the Third
6 District Court of Appeal does . If it comes out
7 favorably, it is possible that the case will go
8 away and that Monroe County will prevail . It is
9 possible that the County will decide one issue in
10 favor of the County and reduce the amount that ' s
11 at issue that remands the rest of the case to go
12 to trial , or it could come unfavorably for the
13 County and if that ' s the case, then at that point
14 would be the time to consider whether there needs
15 to be some sort of offer or reconsideration of the
16 County ' s position in defending the case .
17 MR . SHILLINGER : If you want to have a
18 discussion on the numbers, since we have new
19 members, I ' ll hand out a similar sheet like we did
20 in the other case .
21 So, we have a breakdown there . We 've already
22 paid them, unrelated to the case, 8 . 9 million
23 dollars . So please don ' t cry for AshBritt that
24 they walked away and they' re not getting paid at
25 all . They have plenty of our money, and we
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1 actually didn ' t even get reimbursed for all of
2 that , as we well know from the Base Camp . So the
3 amount that ' s in dispute is a principal of 1 . 1
4 million. They ' re going to claim interest and then
5 estimated attorneys fees , so they' re going to
6 claim as much as 2 . 1 million .
7 At one point prior to - - in a prior session,
8 they had offered in the neighborhood of 500 , 000 ,
9 and a prior Board had rejected that . I don ' t have
10 that exact figure . I wasn ' t able to go back and
11 pull up the transcript from that one .
12 MAYOR COLDIRON: Can you say that again?
13 MR . SHILLINGER : They had offered about - -
14 they expressed an interest in settling for about
15 half of the million dollars that we owed, that
16 they say we owe them. It was about 500 , 000 .
17 MAYOR COLDIRON: And we rejected that?
18 MR . SHILLINGER : We rejected that , as the
19 prior Board had taken the position that, no, we
20 didn ' t owe them that amount of money, and you did
21 not authorize us to make a counter offer; let ' s
22 see if we can get them to negotiate against
23 themselves . It hasn ' t happened yet .
24 As it stands now, as Jeff said, if the Third
25 District rules in our favor, we ' re done, we don ' t
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1 owe them anything. But if they don ' t, we look at
2 going to trial , and Jeff has given us an estimated
3 cost in this case of about a-hundred-and-twenty-
4 five left to go to trial . Our worst day, maybe we
5 owe them the whole two-million . Our best day, we
6 owe them nothing and we get an award of attorneys
7 fees up to a half-a-million dollars, estimated, in
8 our favor. And it ' s likely to be collectible
9 because that is, unlike the prior one we talked
10 about, this is a viable, ongoing concern .
11 So this is where we stand in this litigation
12 at this point . Do you have any questions?
13 COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ : Your feelings on it?
14 MR . SHILLINGER : I ' m sorry, what?
15 COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ : Your feelings on it?
16 MR . SHILLINGER : My feelings on it? I think
17 we have a very solid chance of prevailing at the
18 Third District Court of Appeals, in light of the
19 case law that Jeff mentioned has existed in the
20 past , is being developed now. The basic concept
21 is that with a government contract , the contract
22 - - there is no government liability unless there ' s
23 a waiver of sovereign immunity. The contract sets
24 the terms of the waiver of sovereign immunity. So
25 if it ' s not spelled out in the contract
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1 explicitly, there ' s no implied terms that the
2 court can write into it to fill in the gaps . So
3 on that basis, that measure of law, assuming that
4 argument still holds when they come out with their
5 decision in this case, we prevail .
6 MS . HALL : On both issues .
7 MR . SHILLINGER : On both issues , the haul-out
8 issue and the putrefied waste . That ' s what we ' re
9 down to, those two issues .
10 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : I ' ll start . So,
11 obviously, this one ' s a little closer to home than
12 the last one . I don ' t know if it ' s the will of
13 the Commission to counter a proposal or not, but
14 I ' m struggling with this , really, to be honest
15 with you . The appetite may be offering a hundred-
16 and-twenty-five thousand, that would be what the
17 legal fees would be .
18 MAYOR COLDIRON: To do what?
19 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : To settle .
20 MAYOR COLDIRON: To offer them a hundred-and-
21 twenty-five thousand?
22 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : And close it out .
23 Just asking.
24 COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ : I say go with your
25 gut, Bob . I go with your gut . If you think we
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1 can get it back.
2 MR . SHILLINGER : There ' s nothing to say that
3 if the Third rules against us, we can ' t revisit it
4 and have - - make an offer, and I think that would
5 be the time to make an offer . The one thing I
6 would say in support of making an offer now is
7 there ' s that uncertainty. They don ' t know what
8 it ' s going to be .
9 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Right .
10 MR . SHILLINGER : And they may be willing to
11 settle for less than they might if the ruling goes
12 in favor of them.
13 COMMISSIONER RICE : After step one, they
14 don ' t have any clue, they might be a little more
15 inclined to take a lower offer . Once we take a
16 beating, that offer is going to have to be much
17 higher to be considered.
18 COMMISSIONER CATES : No, I agree with that,
19 also . Because if we are even thinking about
20 making an offer, this is the time to do it . We ' re
21 ahead now. If it comes through, good; but if it
22 doesn ' t, then we ' re - - it ' s going to be much more
23 difficult . Wouldn ' t you say, in your opinion?
24 MR . HOCHMAN: So there ' s two things going on .
25 One is to stop litigation expenses , and right now
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1 there are none in that case . Then there ' s the
2 issue of developing the law in Florida on
3 sovereign immunity. That opinion is likely very
4 close to being issued. The question is, will it
5 be a good opinion for Monroe County or not?
6 COMMISSIONER CATES : Absolutely. That ' s right .
7 MR . HOCHMAN: Scenario - -
8 COMMISSIONER RICE : I would - - I 'm sorry, go
9 ahead.
10 MR . HOCHMAN: Scenario number one, it ' s a
11 good opinion . It helps you in two cases, right .
12 It helps you in the Disaster Solutions case and it
13 helps you in the AshBritt case . So the question
14 then is, okay, that ' s one thing to consider.
15 The next thing is it ' s an unfavorable opinion
16 and it hurts you in two cases . What then? So,
17 the idea of just considering one matter versus the
18 long-term interests of Monroe County has to be
19 taken into consideration .
20 COMMISSIONER RICE : I see .
21 MR . SHILLINGER : And I don ' t think we could
22 pull it together to make a formal offer of
23 settlement in time to beat tomorrow' s release of
24 opinions , if in fact they' re ready to write .
25 There ' s no guarantee they' re going to be tomorrow.
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1 COMMISSIONER RICE : Well , tomorrow, we don ' t
2 know yet . We don ' t know that .
3 MR . HOCHMAN: Just to understand, usually the
4 Third District Court of Appeal issues its opinions
5 every Wednesday. Given the time that has elapsed
6 since the oral argument, it ' s reasonable to assume
7 that there will be an opinion issued tomorrow. If
8 not, then it ' s reasonable to assume it will be the
9 next week, and reasonable the following week . But
10 as it gets farther away, it ' s more likely the
11 opinion is going to be issued.
12 The question would be issuing a proposal for
13 settlement or a settlement offer between now and
14 tomorrow morning may be difficult .
15 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : But you could be
16 prepared for after tomorrow.
17 MR . HOCHMAN: Yes .
18 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Right .
19 MR . HOCHMAN: Right . So let ' s say no opinion
20 comes out tomorrow, one could be easily issued on
21 either tomorrow afternoon or Thursday.
22 MS . HALL : The parties could always agree to
23 a walk-away. Everybody just absorbs your own
24 costs and goes on your merry little way.
25 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Well , I was going to
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1 put that out there .
2 MAYOR COLDIRON: I like that .
3 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : I was going to put
4 that out there as well but I was trying to get a
5 little cost recovery back.
6 MAYOR COLDIRON: The cost for what, getting
7 money for us?
8 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Yes .
9 MR . SHILLINGER : Oh, so the hundred-and-
10 twenty-five is them pay us a-hundred-and-twenty-
11 five?
12 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Yeah.
13 MAYOR COLDIRON: Oh, I thought it was us
14 paying them.
15 COMMISSIONER CATES : Me, too .
16 MAYOR COLDIRON: Boy, I 'm glad we ' re
17 clarifying this .
18 MS . HALL : I like yours better.
19 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : That was a hundred-
20 and-twenty-five to us .
21 MAYOR COLDIRON: So AshBritt gives us
22 $125 , 000 and we all walk away.
23 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : And we all walk away.
24 COMMISSIONER CATES : Why would they do that?
25 COMMISSIONER RICE : I could do a walk-away.
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1 COMMISSIONER CATES : Why would they do that?
2 MR . SHILLINGER : Their best chance is to wait
3 for the opinion to come out .
4 COMMISSIONER CATES : Yes . I don ' t see them
5 doing that .
6 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : So how about zero
7 then?
8 MR . SHILLINGER : Again, they' re going to have
9 the same thing, what ' s in it for them.
10 COMMISSIONER RICE : Hey, we made an offer.
11 MS . HALL : Exactly. At least throwing it out
12 there, if you pay us a-hundred-and-twenty-five and
13 we shut the litigation down is the start of a
14 conversation .
15 MAYOR COLDIRON: Or, or let ' s all just cut
16 our losses and let ' s all just walk away.
17 COMMISSIONER RICE : Because a-hundred-and-
18 twenty-five thousand is not a very major issue for
19 us or, I presume, for them. In my opinion, I 've
20 been involved in this case since the first lie was
21 told right over there, and I don ' t have a very
22 charitable opinion here . But, the lawsuit should
23 have never happened. If we could make it a clean
24 walk-away, I could feel okay with that .
25 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : I ' m okay with that ,
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1 too .
2 MAYOR COLDIRON: Yes .
3 MR . GASTESI : So, I haven ' t spoken today at
4 all on any of these cases, but this case, I did
5 speak initially. And one of the things that I
6 thought would make it a good settlement would be
7 to give them the contract back . Now, I don ' t know
8 if that could be done or not , if the lawyers agree
9 or not , but I ' m kind of liking where Commissioner
10 Forster was, yes , let ' s recapture some of that ,
11 and what would sweeten it for them, to answer your
12 question Commissioner Cates, would be if they get
13 the contract back.
14 COMMISSIONER CATES : And that ' s - - in Key
15 West , we worked with them.
16 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : So did we .
17 COMMISSIONER CATES : Yeah, and we didn ' t have
18 a problem, except they tried to have - - get more
19 in the beginning and I don ' t know, but they gave
20 up on it and just did their contract , you know,
21 and they did a great job . I don ' t know what
22 happened with the County, if they thought they
23 could take more advantage or whatever or things - -
24 your job was much longer than ours , you know, so
25 that - - they probably lost more money on that one
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1 than Key West because ours wasn ' t near as bad, the
2 clean up . So, that being said, that ' s probably
3 what happened. But we didn ' t have any problems
4 with them. They did a great job .
5 The County, obviously, had some serious
6 problems and so - - and that was just , that was a
7 bad situation.
8 MR . SHILLINGER : They had some interference
9 from the Governor ' s level .
10 COMMISSIONER CATES : Yes
11 COMMISSIONER RICE : Absolutely.
12 MR . GASTESI : Yes . I was going to say, the
13 Governor took away the gravy which was Big Pine
14 and the area where it was really hit hard. It was
15 done by an outside - - another firm, if you
16 remember that . That ' s really what the problem
17 with that was .
18 MR . SHILLINGER : That was hiring away their
19 subs .
20 COMMISSIONER RICE : If he ' d have stayed in
21 Tallahassee, in my opinion, we wouldn ' t be
22 discussing this today.
23 MR . GASTESI : Absolutely.
24 MR . SHILLINGER : Right . This case was
25 because of Tallahassee .
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1 MR . GASTESI : Right .
2 MR . SHILLINGER : But, in terms of being able
3 to award, give them the contract back, we have
4 already terminated them. We have already had
5 staff respond to FEMA audits and Inspector General
6 opinions and things like that, that that would be
7 undercutting all of that . And if we simply just
8 awarded the contract out of hand, it has not now
9 been competitively bid, so we would not - - we
10 stand the risk of not being reimbursed should we
11 get a storm in the next year when this contract - -
12 because this contract was a five-year contract .
13 It was let in 2017 . It ' s up next year.
14 The more forward-thinking thing is not
15 holding it against them if they should bid in a
16 future contract because, again, coming 2022 is
17 when it ' s going to come up again . It is a risk in
18 just handing them the contract back that we ' re not
19 going to get reimbursed because of all the
20 problems that we have pointed out to FEMA in this
21 contract where they tried to renegotiate terms ,
22 and the testimony we 've already given to the
23 Inspector General , and the fact that just giving
24 them the contract, again, is not a competitively-
25 bid contract anymore . So your risk is you will
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1 not get reimbursed for that work .
2 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : So if it ' s zero,
3 right, and we all vote to walk away, we can ' t
4 reinstate them?
5 MR . SHILLINGER : I would counsel against it .
6 You could do it, but you bear the risk of not
7 getting reimbursed for any of that money.
8 COMMISSIONER RICE : Too big a risk for me .
9 MAYOR COLDIRON: That ' s huge .
10 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : For the one-point - -
11 MAYOR COLDIRON: No, for any hurricane .
12 MR . SHILLINGER : For any storm in the future .
13 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Oh, in the future . I
14 gotcha .
15 MR . SHILLINGER : So under the federal
16 procurement regulations, in order to get
17 reimbursed, it had to have been a competitively-
18 bid contract . And those were rules that were
19 going into effect in 2017 . Now they 've been in
20 effect for four years now. So FEMA is going to
21 look even more closely at that issue . That was an
22 issue we had to deal with that cost us money in
23 reimbursement in the Base Camp where we had tried
24 to point to some procured prices and it wasn ' t - -
25 you know, we weren ' t able to show that to the
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1 Administrative Law Judges or the Board of
2 Contracting Appeal ' s satisfaction, that we had
3 done enough to show that that was a competitively-
4 bid price .
5 Am I saying that correctly, Christine?
6 Because Christine sat through that trial .
7 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : Yes .
8 MR . GASTESI : Originally it was competitively
9 bid - -
10 MR . SHILLINGER : Right, and then we
11 terminated.
12 MR . GASTESI : Right, so you ' re just giving it
13 back . The Board has the discretion to do that .
14 It ' s always in the language that the Board has the
15 discretion to do stuff like that .
16 MAYOR COLDIRON: They ' re shaking their heads
17 no .
18 MR . GASTESI : No?
19 MR . SHILLINGER : But you terminated it, and
20 you can ' t take back the termination.
21 MR . GASTESI : Why not?
22 MR . SHILLINGER : Because we 've already
23 exercised it .
24 MR . GASTESI : Well , who exercised it? That ' s
25 what the Board of County Commission does .
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1 MR . SHILLINGER : And you ' re placing at risk
2 the fact that FEMA - - we saw what they did after
3 the Base Camp .
4 MR . GASTESI : The Base Camp has been - -
5 that ' s totally different because Base Camp wasn ' t
6 in the bid packages, it wasn ' t in the pricing.
7 That ' s why we didn ' t get the money that we wanted
8 to get . That ' s totally different . I disagree .
9 You ' re the lawyer, but I tell you, I disagree with
10 that .
11 MR . SHILLINGER : All right . Well , I - -
12 MAYOR COLDIRON: Can I ask a question just to
13 clarify this for my brain.
14 MR . SHILLINGER : Sure .
15 MAYOR COLDIRON: If we gave them back the
16 contract and we have a storm this season - - we ' re
17 not going to have one but if we would - - you ' re
18 saying we ' re putting at risk all of our FEMA
19 reimbursement with AshBritt if FEMA decided that
20 that contract was null and void and we didn ' t go
21 out for the proper procurement?
22 MR . SHILLINGER : Right .
23 MAYOR COLDIRON: So you want us now to risk
24 that?
25 MR . SHILLINGER : That ' s Roman ' s proposal ,
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1 risking that . He doesn ' t think it ' s a risk . I
2 do .
3 MAYOR COLDIRON: Risk it and we ' ll end up in
4 litigation with who? Who would we then be
5 appealing? FEMA?
6 COMMISSIONER RICE : Everybody. Everybody.
7 MS . HALL : FEMA.
8 MR . SHILLINGER : FEMA on the reimbursement,
9 so we ' d be out the money and then they - -
10 MAYOR COLDIRON: And we ' re talking millions .
11 MR . SHILLINGER : Depending on the storm.
12 MAYOR COLDIRON: Ten-million.
13 MS . HALL : We ' re talking ten-million dollars
14 and up, depending on the size of the storm.
15 COMMISSIONER CATES : All right . I agree,
16 that ' s not the way to go .
17 MR . SHILLINGER : Another option is to start
18 the process to rebid the contract early, right?
19 Because that - - I mean, Christine is the one who
20 has handled this kind of thing .
21 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : Well , we have, we do
22 have language in the contract that allows us to
23 terminate it for convenience, but we added
24 language specifically that that ' s not to be
25 allowed during hurricane season. We didn ' t want a
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1 contractor to walk off the job - -
2 MR . SHILLINGER : To walk off so we couldn ' t
3 just - -
4 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : - - or for them to plan
5 to have resources here and things like that . But
6 we could terminate right now, we have the
7 agreement with DRC .
8 MR . SHILLINGER : But we wouldn ' t have a
9 replacement . What I 'm saying is , if the plan is
10 to bid the contract to take over for 2022 ,
11 correct, that ' s when this contract , the current
12 contract expires?
13 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : Yeah. It has a renewal
14 period of five years .
15 MR . SHILLINGER : Right .
16 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : But if the Board
17 chooses not to renew that, then we could go out
18 for bid.
19 MR . SHILLINGER : And it would take
20 approximately how long to go through the
21 procurement process and select a new contractor?
22 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : Six months .
23 MR . SHILLINGER : Six months . So if you were
24 - - I mean, you have an option, if you ' re trying to
25 give AshBritt an opportunity to get back in the
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1 game, you could start that process for next year
2 and you could start that procurement process .
3 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : But there ' s no
4 guarantee that they would be the highest ranked
5 response .
6 MR . SHILLINGER : Right . You can ' t award it
7 through a settlement .
8 COMMISSIONER RICE : You can give them a shot
9 at it .
10 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Who ' s the contractor
11 now?
12 MR . SHILLINGER : DRC .
13 MS . HALL : But in terms of sweetening the
14 pot, when we put things out to bid, one of the
15 questions we ask and in fact , one of the questions
16 we ' re required to ask is , are you currently in
17 litigation with the County. We tend not to like
18 to select people who are currently suing the
19 County. So, in terms of sweetening the pot , if
20 AshBritt wants to improve its position in terms of
21 turning in a bid on the next go around, the way to
22 do it is settle the case .
23 COMMISSIONER CATES : And all those lines, do
24 we have any ranking that we ' ve had problems with a
25 contractor in a past , you don ' t give any points or
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1 you get subtracted?
2 MS . HALL : That ' s usually, one way or the
3 other, that ' s usually taken into consideration .
4 COMMISSIONER CATES : Could we, in a
5 settlement agreement , say we wouldn ' t use that
6 against them?
7 MS . HALL : I think we could do that .
8 COMMISSIONER CATES : I ' m just curious .
9 MS . HALL : Look at her face .
10 MR . SHILLINGER : She ' s the queen of the
11 purchasing policy, so .
12 MS . HALL : Well , I think we could do that but
13 it would be more a case of right now, there ' s no
14 way that we would consider them. Under our
15 current ordinance, that ' s a question we ' re
16 required to ask. But if we settled the
17 litigation, I think we would all be willing to
18 consider them as a vendor.
19 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : It was a very difficult
20 working relationship with them during that time
21 period. So, from a staff perspective, I think
22 that would be a concern of those on the selection
23 committee because it was such a difficult
24 relationship .
25 COMMISSIONER CATES : You can ' t have that when
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1 we ' re trying to settle this lawsuit and have
2 something in there, willing to go, walk away for
3 nothing and take their chances . And they may not
4 win. Nobody ' s guaranteeing they ' re going to win
5 this next time, you know. They 've got to have - -
6 I ' m sure they want to have something to walk away
7 from all the money they' ve spent , too .
8 MR . SHILLINGER : They want to look forward.
9 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Right . And I think
10 with some of their, I ' ll say, restructuring of
11 staff maybe, that we could possibly have a better
12 relationship with them moving forward.
13 COMMISSIONER CATES : That ' s all I 've got to
14 say.
15 MR . SHILLINGER : What Christine was saying,
16 Commissioner Rice, you couldn ' t hear her, was that
17 it was a very difficult - - you lived through it .
18 It was a very difficult negotiation with them,
19 with the operational . It was constant fights
20 between staff and it was not a partnership . It
21 was a little bit of a - -
22 COMMISSIONER CATES : They ' re very arrogant .
23 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : Compared with the other
24 vendor we had, that we had in the past and then
25 that took over, I was less involved. Let ' s put it
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1 that way. So staff was able to resolve issues and
2 they were able to come to compromises and not get
3 the lawyers involved.
4 COMMISSIONER RICE : Well , I remember that
5 AshBritt was not their own best friend.
6 MAYOR COLDIRON: And I would agree . I know
7 Marathon had our own issues with AshBritt and that
8 case was dropped. AshBritt dropped their lawsuit .
9 And I know that Marathon just went out to bid for
10 their contractor and they did not pick AshBritt .
11 MR . SHILLINGER : AshBritt has a history of
12 being very aggressive with its clients . I mean,
13 it ' s not just here in the Keys that they have had
14 litigation with. There was Volusia County had
15 similar issues . Was it North Miami Beach, I
16 believe . There were a couple of jurisdictions
17 that when this case first started, we were talking
18 with each other that we got the AshBritt
19 treatment, and Marathon was one of them.
20 MAYOR COLDIRON: Right, right .
21 MR . SHILLINGER : So that is their business
22 model is to bully their way through these things .
23 MAYOR COLDIRON: And if you think about it,
24 we ' re all in a state of shock during a hurricane
25 and staff is stressed, everyone ' s stressed. You
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1 open the doors and you see every refrigerator is
2 filled with putrefied waste . I can still remember
3 the stench. I can still recall that stench that
4 just permeated the City of Marathon and the whole
5 County. So it ' s an ugly business that they ' re in .
6 I ' m sure they are kind of brutal people . Where
7 did we just leave this?
8 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : So are we at zero?
9 MAYOR COLDIRON: At zero, walk away?
10 MS . HALL : Commissioners, if that is
11 something you would be willing to accept , and I
12 think it would be good for the County, just
13 speaking for myself, I would recommend starting a
14 little - - where you started in order to try and
15 end up there, just bargaining tactics .
16 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Right .
17 MS . HALL : I don ' t know whether they would
18 take it or what their response would be . What do
19 you guys think?
20 MR . SHILLINGER : They have no incentive to
21 take anything at zero .
22 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Well , they get back in
23 line to - -
24 COMMISSIONER RICE : I ' m sorry, Bob?
25 MR . SHILLINGER : They have no incentive to
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1 take - - paying us one-twenty-five or at zero . I
2 mean, they ' re waiting on the outcome of the Third
3 District because they think that ' s - -
4 COMMISSIONER RICE : So what do we lose by
5 making the offer that we believe they won ' t
6 accept? We ' re right where we are today.
7 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : But - -
8 MR . SHILLINGER : Potentially, the case law,
9 that we hope to gain that way.
10 COMMISSIONER RICE : But that ' s only if they
11 accepted it .
12 MR . SHILLINGER : Yeah.
13 COMMISSIONER RICE : So you ' re just going
14 around biting your own tail in arguments .
15 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : But it gets them back
16 in line to be the vendor and possibly being a
17 vendor again, and that ' s something I think that
18 they would be looking at , right?
19 MS . HALL : I would think.
20 MR . SHILLINGER : If the settlement included
21 some language that said that - -
22 MAYOR COLDIRON: This will not be held
23 against you in the next ranking of vendors .
24 COMMISSIONER CATES : That ' s their incentive .
25 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Right, exactly.
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1 MAYOR COLDIRON: Uh-huh.
2 MR . SHILLINGER : Would that be - - I mean, the
3 policy is the purchasing policy.
4 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : Right . By code, we
5 have various questions we have to ask them. One
6 of the questions is, have you been involved in
7 litigation with the County, have you failed to
8 provide services for the County, things like that .
9 So we ask those questions and normally, that is
10 used to determine if they are a responsible
11 bidder . So we will still ask those question and,
12 you know, if - -
13 MR . SHILLINGER : But we don ' t necessarily
14 rank it based on points .
15 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : Exactly, right . But if
16 they have a long history of litigation or if
17 they ' re currently in litigation with us, then we
18 may say they may not be responsible because they
19 haven ' t successfully performed in the past , or
20 whatever the situation is with that particular
21 vendor .
22 MR . SHILLINGER : And the only time that it ' s
23 actually disqualifying is if they fail to disclose
24 it . So one time - - you ' ll get companies that
25 don ' t want to tell you that but we do a background
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1 search and we find it and we say, well , if they' re
2 going to lie about this, we ' re just, you know,
3 we ' re going to disqualify them and not consider
4 them responsive . If they disclose it, then you
5 take an evaluation judgment and you go, okay, say
6 it ' s a construction contract and the litigation
7 was a bid protest . I mean, that happens all the
8 time in the construction industry. You think,
9 okay, you came in number two, you thought you
10 should have been number one . We just saw a bid
11 protest the other day. It happens .
12 COMMISSIONER RICE : Right .
13 MR . SHILLINGER : You don ' t look at that and
14 go, wow, this is a very litigious firm, we ' re not
15 going to do business with them. So you kind of do
16 a value judgment on them, but it ' s not a
17 disqualification that they 've been in litigation .
18 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : They can say, yes, we
19 were in litigation with the County, we entered
20 into a settlement whereby the County agreed to not
21 exclude us from consideration of this bid process,
22 or whatever details they wanted to provide .
23 COMMISSIONER CATES : Right .
24 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Right .
25 MS . HALL : So resolving the litigation would
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1 be a path forward for them.
2 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Right . And if we
3 don ' t get a favorable decision, how much longer
4 would this case last if we want to drag it out?
5 MR . SHILLINGER : It probably won ' t get for
6 trial in the civil case that hasn ' t been already
7 scheduled for another year at least .
8 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Yeah, exactly.
9 MR . SHILLINGER : Just because of the court
10 shutdown for Covid and the backlog .
11 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : I think that ' s an
12 incentive . I think that ' s the incentive for them.
13 MAYOR COLDIRON: So are we back to zero or
14 $125 , 000?
15 MS . HALL : I like the you pay us $125 , 000 ,
16 see if they nibble, and then our fallback is walk
17 away.
18 COMMISSIONER RICE : I ' m comfortable, I 'm
19 comfortable with that .
20 MAYOR COLDIRON: With what, the zero or
21 asking them - -
22 COMMISSIONER RICE : What she just said.
23 MR . SHILLINGER : One-twenty-five and the
24 language that we won ' t hold it against you, and
25 pay us one-twenty-five .
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1 MAYOR COLDIRON: With our fallback of zero .
2 And accepting them to - - inviting them to bid in
3 our next contract .
4 MR . SHILLINGER : Now, that gives you a
5 decision point . You have a contract with DRC that
6 is subject to a five-year renewal . Just one five-
7 year renewal?
8 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : Yes .
9 MR . SHILLINGER : And it ' s your discretion to
10 say we ' re going to go forward with either the
11 five-year renewal with DRC or we ' re going to put
12 it out to bid next year, you know, for services
13 starting next hurricane season .
14 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : So when does that come
15 up for bid again?
16 MR . SHILLINGER : In about six months, right?
17 MS . LIMBERT-BARROWS : Yeah.
18 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : Okay. So there ' s the
19 incentive .
20 MAYOR COLDIRON: Roman wants to say
21 something.
22 MR . GASTESI : Yeah. I just want to remind
23 you that DRC walked away from the canal cleanup
24 job because the pricing wasn ' t right . So my
25 recommendation, staff recommendation would be to
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1 put it out to bid again because they started the
2 job, it was way under bid, and they walked away
3 from it .
4 MR . SHILLINGER : That was the canal cleanup
5 with the emergency DEP money.
6 MR . GASTESI : Right .
7 MR . SHILLINGER : That we all knew was
8 insufficient at the time .
9 MR . GASTESI : Absolutely.
10 MR . SHILLINGER : They put in a bid, and then
11 they didn ' t perform.
12 MR . GASTESI : Yeah, so .
13 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : I saw that .
14 MR . SHILLINGER : But we ' d used them in the
15 past .
16 MR . GASTESI : DRC?
17 MR . SHILLINGER : Yeah.
18 MR . GASTESI : Well , we used them after
19 AshBritt .
20 MR . SHILLINGER : Right . And other storms .
21 We can ' t get too far from the scope .
22 MR . GASTESI : No, I get it . Yeah, that ' s
23 probably not discussion for today but I just
24 wanted to say - -
25 MR . SHILLINGER : Right . In other words , our
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1 number two, our backup had issues, too . It ' s just
2 not as - -
3 MR . GASTESI : It ' s a dirty business .
4 MAYOR COLDIRON: It is .
5 COMMISSIONER CATES : I think that ' s a good
6 offer.
7 MR . SHILLINGER : All right . Well , we can ' t
8 take a formal vote on anything today but I think
9 we have the consensus of the Board, and I think
10 it ' s enough for us to extend it . And if it
11 results in a favorable thing, we would bring you
12 back a settlement offer for discussion and
13 approval in an open session. All right .
14 MR . HOCHMAN: Just one thing, if an opinion
15 comes out tomorrow and it is favorable to the
16 County, we ' re going to not extend an offer - - I
17 mean, we ' re going to evaluate that in terms of
18 what we do with the actual settlement of the case?
19 MR . SHILLINGER : Yeah. I mean, because then
20 you ' re just throwing money.
21 COMMISSIONER RICE : Yeah, right .
22 COMMISSIONER CATES : No, I agree with that .
23 COMMISSIONER FORSTER : You can keep your
24 campaign funds for me because I won ' t need it .
25 MR . SHILLINGER : All right . Do we have any
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1 other points that we want to discuss in this case?
2 MAYOR COLDIRON: No .
3 MR . SHILLINGER : All right . Can I get these?
4 MS . HALL : Thank you, Commissioners .
5 MAYOR COLDIRON: Thank you all . Appreciate
6 it , appreciate you all very much.
7 MR . SHILLINGER : All right . So, Madame
8 Mayor, are you going to declare this Closed
9 Session closed?
10 MAYOR COLDIRON: I declare the Closed Session
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